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         <title>Jan Frankel Schau</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Vicki.  This is powerful stuff.  Existential and experiential.  The implications are vast.  Do you think we need to return to the joint session format to provide that lost chance at reconciliation, lawyer's preferences be damned?  Do you think we need to stand beside the attorneys at all times lest they be bad-mouthing their mediator in service of aggrandizing their "position" to their clients?  Any practice conclusions?</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Joe Markowitz</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>The only really bad experience I ever had in a mediation was when the mediator kicked the attorneys out of the room and had a session with my client and the opposing party alone.  I went along with that on the theory that the opposing counsel was obstructing progress.  But after the parties came out and announced that they had made a deal, I found out after I had a chance to talk to my client privately, that my client regretted making the deal, and was also second-guessed later by other principals of the company.  So what probably was a good business deal for the company turned into a bitter experience because my client felt coerced into making an agreement.</p>

<p>Since that time, I always try to make sure when I am acting as an attorney in a mediation, that I fight hard to get the best possible deal for the client, and that I make sure before my client signs anything, that he or she is very comfortable with what they are doing.  When I act as mediator, I tell the participants to listen first and foremost to their own attorneys' views of the case.  Everyone has a role to play in a mediation, and there is danger in shutting anyone out.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Vickie Pynchon</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting Jan and Joe.</p>

<p>As to Jan's question about joint sessions I have two answers.  I do believe attorneys should begin to consider accepting the advice of mediators with whom they've had good experiences when the mediator recommends a joint session.  </p>

<p>Attorneys are rightly skeptical of these sessions, however, in light of the dozens of horror stories they've told me about joint sessions winging out of control and damaging any chance for settlement.  </p>

<p>This is not, as both Joe and Jan know, a problem with joint sessions, but a problem with mediators who are neither trained nor experienced in managing joint session mediation.  Joe's experience is just one of many examples of attorneys being  'stung' by inept joint session mediators or those who see their primary "skill" as one of the Dark Arts, i.e., coercion.  </p>

<p>Mediators who have extensive community mediation experience, however, are extremely adept at handling joint sessions because all community mediations are primarily conducted in that fashion.  The wise attorney says "no thanks" to any mediator without this experience in one setting or another and "yes" to a mediator who possesses the experience AND who is already a trusted advisor to the attorney hiring him or her.  </p>

<p>THANKS for keeping the conversation going!</p>

<p>On the second issue raised by Jan, I have no trouble being the "fall guy" in the mediation if that's what is required to close the deal.  In fact, I've even made the suggestion myself from time to time.  "Blame it on the mediator," is a good cop/bad cop tactic that can be played in one room with the attorney (saving face) and the mediator taking the rap for the bad news that the attorney can't deliver to the client without appearing traitorous.</p>

<p>As to reconciliation, I am a firm believer in the transformative power of joint session mediation.  I see it happen routinely in community mediation in situations far more fraught with emotion than the commercial litigation I mediate for a living.  I also believe, as Jan certainly knows, that money can and often is saved or spent more freely when the parties experience a transformation of their heretofore fixed idea that their opponent is . . . frankly . . . THE DEVIL.  I make recommendations for transformative work when something about the parties' expression of emotion suggests to me that it would be helpful in breaking impasse or improving the result for both parties.  At the end of the day, however, I am guided by counsel and would never presume to come between an attorney and his client.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Timothy R. Hughes</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.</p>

<p>My experience is mixed: I have definitely had lawyers in cases, negotiations, trials, arbitrations, and mediations that were part or all of the problem, not the solution.  I have also had folks who helped clients see the light.</p>

<p>As a litigator and trial attorney and business lawyer, I feel my job ultimately is to use whatever tools I can to solve the client's problem.  That generally involves trying to resolve it amicably rather than risk lack of certainty, but sometimes that just will not happen.</p>

<p>It is pretty funny what you said about mediators blaming the lawyers though ... much of the same dynamic that the lawyers are generally bringing the mediators the work!  Definitely a great parallel there on a lot of levels.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Ericka B. Gray</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that lawyers are often invaluable to the mediation process in assisting in obtaining settlements.  However, many lawyers favor "litimediation," which is less client centered and more lawyer driven, which may draw the mediator away from focusing on client's interests and resolution, rather than settlement. I know that this may be a narrow distinction, but one that I believe is important.  Balance is key and the interests of the clients and the lawyers must be addressed.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Lee Jay Berman</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Vickie, what an amazing post!  You write so eloquently!  And so pointedly.  While it may be politically correct to say that lawyers are indispensable and all of that, as most mediators who do litigated cases know where their bread is buttered, I have to say that for my first 18 months as a mediator, I felt that we could get generally settle cases if the lawyers would just get out of the way, I very soon learned that good lawyers were the most important (yes, I said MOST important) variable weighing in the favor of getting any dispute resolved.</p>

<p>Give me the most challenging parties, the most diverse perspectives and the most hairy discovery, and with two really good lawyers, we can get the case resolved.  I owe the majority of my "mediator magic" and my resolution rate to good lawyers.  I thank God that they keep bringing their cases to me because I know that with them in the game, my odds are good.</p>

<p>The difference is in the mediation seasoning of the attorney.  Good lawyers who see themselves as Counselors at Law, aren't afraid of allying themselves with the mediator to help their client achieve closure.  It's only lawyers who come from the old school of thought that neither the mediator, nor the opposing counsel or any client at the table are to be trusted who some mediators feel "get in our way".</p>

<p>For me, this highlights the need to continue educating counsel, and, at least for me, to keep relying on them to bring all of their intellect and creativity and problem-solving skills into the room when they come to visit.</p>

<p>Thanks for raising and analyzing the issue - you're the best!</p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for dropping by to comment Lee Jay, Ericka and Tim. Lee Jay hits the nail on the head when he talks about trust and continuing mediation advocacy training.  What I continue to trust to provide the magic in the mediation is the process itself.  I have seen baffling, intractable, highly emotional, position-driven competitive negotiators settle cases because of, despite and over the head of good, bad and middling mediators.  As the transformative people say, it's the mediators job to create the space of hope and safety and then get out of the way of the parties' desire to resolve and, yes, reconcile.  And anyone who doesn't believe the attorneys need to reconcile with one another hasn't litigated long enough or has been litigating for so long they no longer notice how bad the competitive, hyper-vigilant, adversarial system makes them feel.  In commercial litigation, that "feeling" is primarily anger and sometimes a state of controlled rage, all of which creates collateral damage in the war of wits that also makes litigation and trial work so darn much fun.  O.K., I'm going to blow all my credibility now by quoting Avatar.  Pandora doesn't take sides.  Pandora is on the side of balance.  I do not jest when I say the angriest, least tractable, most difficult mediation advocate has something he wants to, needs to, say and accomplish.  His view may be the most important because he is likely closest to the reason we're here in the first place - the injustice we've all come together to remedy in our clumsy, hopeful, fallibly human way.</p>

<p>Off to mediate!  Thanks for conversing with me on the blog.  It makes  my life a genuine pleasure.</p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<p>I do my best to deal with these issues at the in-person, pre-mediation conference I have with counsel.</p>

<p>I actually do a considerable amount of work in joint sessions. However, what I say is that there is nothing prescriptive about the way I work. I discuss the potential value of joint sessions, of caucuses and let everyone know they can ask for a caucus if I don't raise it. I also let counsel know that from time to time I may suggest the possibility of a caucus with only the clients (that meeting is never to finalize an agreement if people are represented). I want to know counsel's perspective, in advance, regarding that issue. The last thing I want to have happen is to have an attorney be surprised by something I say or do at a session if that can be avoided. At the initial session I talk with everyone (though directed to the clients) about the role of legal counsel in mediations and I let the clients know how important it is that they are represented by counsel who have the capacity to not only be a strong advocate in litigation, but also a settlement advocate at mediation and let them know every attorney doesn't have that skill due to the time-honored roles attorneys are accustomed to having.</p>

<p>I typically find quality counsel to be very helpful. I typically find that, at times, even quality counsel needs my help to work with the client. I also find non-quality counsel to be problematic, however, low competency counsel is problematic not only at mediation, but throughout whatever process is place. </p>

<p>Finally, we need to stay vigilant about continuing to educate the Bar...</p>

<p>Vickie, though I've already tweeped it to you, let me just reiterate my appreciation for you and the many great blogs you post, including this one which I think, is one of your best.</p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<p>Lee's comment provokes another thought.  I think lawyers only get in the way of settlement when they are putting their own (perhaps short term) interests ahead of their client's interests.  If lawyers are focused on doing what is best for their clients, they do not get in the way of settling cases that should be settled, because they should have at least as good and probably a better appreciation of when settlement is in the best interests of their clients.</p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this article by Victoria Pynchon.  I read the other comments and appreciated their insight and comments too, but when I began reading the article I thought it was another lawyer justifying the way some attorneys behave during mediations.</p>

<p>When I read the phrase "We're all in this together," and saw the video clip, I realized the inner message of how we see people and form our assessments of that person without understanding who that person really is, their beliefs, or what their values might be. During last Sunday's Mass, the pastor also pointed out that each of us has a unique talent or gift, different from another's talent, and that we need to find a way to use  our special talent for the collective good of all people. Victoria's article helped me appreciate the insight attorney's bring into mediation and the benefit of incorporating the strength and talent of the attorney during the mediation process.</p>]]></description>
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